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Editorial from The Church of England Newspaper, 29 May 08

Religious trends and our religious future.

If recent reports of trends in religious observance prove to be correct, then in some 30 years the mosque will be able to claim that, religiously speaking, the UK is an Islamic nation, and therefore needs a share in any religious establishment to reflect this. The progress of conservative Islam in the UK has been amazing, and it has come at a time of prolonged decline in church attendance that seems likely to continue.

This progress has been enthusiastically assisted by this government in particular with its hard-line multi-cultural dogma and willingness to concede to virtually every demand made by Muslims. Perhaps most importantly the government has chosen to allow hard-liners to act as representing all Muslims, and more liberal Muslims have almost completely failed to produce any leadership voices to compete, leading many Britons to wonder if there are indeed many liberal Muslims at all, surely a mistake.

At all levels of national life Islam has gained state funding, protection from any criticism, and the insertion of advisors and experts in government departs national and local. A Muslim Home Office adviser, for example, was responsible for Baroness Scotland’s aborting of the legislation against honour killings, arguing that informal methods would be better. In the police we hear of girls under police protection having the addresses of their safe houses disclosed to their parents by Muslim officers who think they are doing their religious duty.

While men-only gentlemen’s clubs are now being dubbed unlawful, we hear of municipal swimming baths encouraging ‘Muslim women only’ sessions and in Dewsbury Hospitals staff waste time by turning beds to face Mecca five times a day — a Monty Pythonesque scenario of lunacy, but astonishingly true. Prisons are replete with imams who are keen to inculcate conservative Islam in any inmates who are deemed to be culturally ‘Muslim’: the Prison service in effect treats such prisoners as a cultural block to be preached to by imams at will. Would the Prison service send all those with ‘C of E’ on their papers to confirmation classes with the chaplain?! We could go on.

The point is that Islam is being institutionalised, incarnated, into national structures amazingly fast, at the same time as demography is showing very high birthrates. Charles Taylor’s new and classic work on the Secular Age charts the rise of the secular mindset and what he calls the ‘excarnation’ of Christianity as it is levered out of state policy and structures. Christianity is now regarded as bad news, the liberal elite’s attack developed in the 1960s took root in the educationalist empire, and to some extent even in areas of the church.

Today the Christian story is fading from public imagination, while Islam grows apace. There needs to be some fresh thinking in this area where the claims of Christ are sensitively explained. Our church leaders must develop ways of explaining this, as our feature on mission and evangelism this week demonstrates.

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2022686/posts

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Prophet of Doom By Craig Winn.
www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Prologue.Islam

".....Criticizing a religion is something that makes people squeamish, especially in the paranoid culture of political correctness. Christians say that we are to love, not judge. Jews, after millennia of persecution, are terrified of even the perception of intolerance. Secular humanists, in deference to multiculturalism and the peace process, have sacrificed truth on the altar of their political agenda. So why upset everyone?

Why? Because they will continue to kill us if we don't expose them.

Before revealing what the Qur'an and Hadith have to say about Muhammad and Islam, I'd like to clear up a few inevitable misconceptions. First, on Muslims - I love you in spite of your beliefs and deeds. I would like nothing more than to free you from Islam. I agree with Renan, the famed scholar, who, after dedicating himself to understanding Islamic scripture, wrote: "Muslims were the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain others in the practice of this religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him."

Second, on Christians, you are responsible for the awful mess the world is in. Christians have turned a personal relationship with our Creator into an emasculated religion, confused and aimless. In the name of that religion, they have perpetrated inhumanities. Today, for fear of appearing hateful Christians are apparently willing to let a billion people live in virtual slavery, perishing in ignorance and poverty. Tolerance of evil is not a Christian virtue. They are called to be discerning.

Third, on Jews - I love you in spite of yourselves. Fourteen centuries ago your forefathers sold Bible stories to Muhammad and then mocked him when he goofed them up. By doing so you manufactured your own enemy. Now, you are a divided people, unsure whether to appease or fight the terror you helped inspire. As the world's most lettered people, I fear that you understand less than you know. I pray that you come to trust your God before it is too late.

Fourth, on secular humanists, liberals, and agnostics - you are guilty of the very things you denounce in others. History is as condemning of man separating himself from God as it is of man-made religions establishing themselves as intermediaries to God. The last hundred years have been especially indicting; atheistic doctrines have annihilated more people than all religions combined. Truth is not relative. Yet in today's media, secular humanists judiciously edit under the guise of enlightenment. While irritating, this practice is particularly lethal as it relates to Islam. The errant recasting of the religion as peaceful, the reshaping of jihad into a spiritual struggle, the impression you convey that Islam is tolerant and that the terrorists have corrupted their religion, is wrong. Thousands have died in the wake of your illusions.

Fifth, on Islam itself - without deceit and sword, Islam would have been stillborn. An infinitesimal fraction of the one billion people subservient to Islam today actually chose their fate. In Mecca, fourteen hundred years ago, after a decade of preaching, as few as fifty men chose to follow Muhammad. But that all changed in Medina. There, according to the Qur'an and Hadith, Muhammad became a political tyrant, a terrorist, and a thief. His willingness to lead seventy-five armed raids against defenseless civilians swelled his ranks as swiftly as the spoils of "war" filled his pockets.

Equipped with booty stolen from others, Muhammad and his followers conquered and then plundered their neighbors, starting with Arabia. The only choice they offered their victims was "your money or your life." Once subjected to their will, Muslims compelled submission under penalty of death. Islam is, and has always been, a doctrine devoid of choice. It prospers at the business end of a bloody sword. Soon you will see why.........."

www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Letter_to_the_Reader.Islam

How Christians in Egypt are obliged to live as radical islam tightens its grip :-

www.liveleak.com/view?i=406_1207620829

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4HmV6duiU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=74NU_S9QhWk&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Riw69sT7is&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=69K0bdOAChw

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James Whale fancies himself as Britain’s answer to Alex Jones apparently ( dream on Whale! ) so where are his pertinent comments on yesterday’s controversial vote in the British Parliament on human animal hybrid embryos? Nowhere! Nothing!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKL1973335320080519

www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a6GcXDaQOX_E&refer=uk

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1993579.ece

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hUy9ePyo6Q

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www.artofimagination.org/Pages/Gillet.html

I have always admired Surreal Art and I greatly admire Hugues Gillet's paintings. I am finding his work, his dark dreams, highly pertinent at present.

Le sphninx

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The Second Coming, by W. B. Yeats.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in the sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Tough times are ahead apparently, not just in Britain either,

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=566329&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

www.tiscali.co.uk/money/guardian/news/2008/05/14/minister-reveals-housing-fears-in-briefing-gaffe.html

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1161482.ece

During the entire 10 years of Blair’s prime ministership Gordon Brown was the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Now that Brown has become Prime Minister he is being rightly being criticised for his past fiscal decisions, however it is too late to moan now. We shall reap what we have sown but how innocent is Tony Blair in all of this?
Under the 10 years with Blair as P.M. we have been led to believe a ridiculous fairytale endlessly repeated by our biased and deceitful Main-Stream-Media ( so determined were they that the public believe it that a play was composed to ram the message home to us) that ill-feeling developed between these two and that, for a considerable period of time- years actually, they hardly spoke to each other! As if! Unbelievable, but what a clever, convenient tactic it has proved to be.
It gives the totally preposterous impression that Brown was not directly linked to Blair's decision to go to war with Iraq, and that Brown, in turn, acted alone and P.M. Blair was entirely innocent in relation to decisions on Great Britain’s economy! Enabling each to be able to conveniently "just move on" from the other's flawed decisions and actions!
Yet, Le Bliar has just landed a lucrative job as an adviser with the huge Wall Street bank J. P. Morgan,
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/1575247/Tony-Blair-to-earn-andpound2m-as-JP-Morgan-adviser.html

As a former Prime Minister of Great Britain his inside knowledge is likely to be invaluable. A reward for his past actions? But the British people were paying his wages, not corporations like J.P. Morgan, just as we paid the wages of P.M. John Major before him. Or did we?
Is being Prime Minister nowadays just to be a puppet pretending to serve the British people,or even being brainwashed into believing they really are, while in reality serving only the interests of the Elite?
Well," the proof of the pudding is in the eating." So did they put the British peoples' interests before their own? Has their behaviour been loyal? Or self-serving?
( first 2 minutes in Dutch )

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7094545816220336237&q=carlyle+group&ei=WU4tSLyGPJqCiAKdkeDcCQ

Wouldn’t it be nice to know what the hell is really going on!

www.larouchepac.com/firewall

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L--cqAI3IUI

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In the last week or so, Britain's Channel 4 have broadcast an episode of the talented and astute hypnotist Derren Brown's TV show entitled "Trick or Treat."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1fyOWsrFY

“..My negative suggestion there, “Don’t look inside the box,” is designed to sit heavily on their minds and stoke their curiosity.”

The focus of this episode is to demonstrate, in an entertaining way, the power of negative suggestion on people particularly impressionable, young people. In this section of the show he uses small children in a classroom to do this. The result is very charming and amusing but his fascinating explanation of what has happened and why, has also triggered a train of thought in my mind!

In my St Valentine's Day (Feb. 14th, 2008) blog entry - "Britain, Gutted by Stealth,"
I refer briefly to the psychological power of suggestion and repetition in relation to the main stream media and our government.
What has our news been preoccupied with this weekend? - Yet another teenage murder. www.thelondonpaper.com/cs/Satellite/london/news/article/1157151715028?packedargs=suffix%3DArticleController

www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23467020-details/Two+teenagers+stabbed+to+death+in+seven+hours/article.do

I don't suppose, by any chance, there is a group of muscular young men regularly visiting the schools and youth clubs of London giving talks to young people about the dangers of being in a gang and carrying a knife or a gun?

What about sex education in schools? Teenage pregnancy? Aids?
What about drug education in schools? Glue sniffing? Smoking?

I am definitely not saying it is wrong to talk to young people about any of these matters or to give them the information they need. It is vital.
However, Derren Brown talks of triggers in relation to the power of negative suggestion and perhaps we need to rethink ( or monitor more stringently ) the approach taken to young people because it seems that our society has never talked so much about these matters, there is more information about these matters now than ever before, yet the incidents seem to still be increasing. In fact they appear to be escalating. It is possible to successfully teach children about harmful aspects of life- we all know how to cross the road safely, it can be done! So what has changed in recent years?
In relation to sex we have had an Ouroboros situation here for decades where health workers, doctors, clinics, family planning experts, educators, pro-death celebrities and the media legitimise liberal sex and abortion and it is taught in schools. The authorities legitimise their view and actions based on the perception of women's demand and need for liberal abortion but girls and young women in turn demand abortion because it has been presented to them in the media and by the authorities as acceptable, good, legal, moral -even fashionable! A truly vicious circle!
An example of this being that nearly all popular magazines in Britain aimed at girls, teenagers and young women promote promiscuity, casual sex and abortion services and are funded in turn by expensive advertising for the clinics and health charities that women will have to turn to for help. It is a similar concept to a computer virus if you think about it. The virus is mysteriously created and then we all have to purchase the remedy.

I find myself wondering, are the education authorities mistaken in their current approach to educating young people about the unpleasant and difficult side of life? Highly unlikely, Psychology is a well established field of study in which Great Britain excells - the Tavistock Institute, for example. Who in Britain has not studied Psychology at some level or in some context? Thousands of students are awarded degrees in this subject every year!
Or is some disgusting, nihilistic agenda at work here, and being practised on our young people by a veiled, hate-filled clique - hidden inside the field of education?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LrYsc8wfXM&feature=related

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This lady has organised “thought leadership events”
www.parmindervir.com

What? Sounds a bit Orwellian. What happens if you do not want your thoughts to be led, might Big Brother send round "The Thought Police?"
Perhaps one day......

So I looked up “thought leadership” and “thought leadership events” as online searches and found - total gobbledy-gook.
I am not a complete fool but what are these people on about?

http://events.top-consultant.com/UK/careerconference.aspx?ID=144

http://uk.country.csc.com/en/mcs/mcs194/2756.shtml

Here they have “a library of thought leadership” aimed at schools,

www.planonline.org/leadership/index.htm

Clearly there must be a great deal of money in all of this, judging by the enthusiasm, plethora of fancy websites and all the “hype?” Is that the right trendy word?

Then I looked at Wikipedia.
A Thought Leader is a forward thinking person with innovative ideas. Then why not just say that! What is happening to our lovely language?

Well actually it is an example of the new use of language, and you will either adopt phrases like this, use them, embrace them and support their ridiculousness, or be perceived as old-fashioned and past it – whatever “it” is! And then you might miss out because all the world of big business wants now is young, young, young, for the “Great Leap Forward.”

Unfortunately you see, I am now an old fogey. I’m a square. I’m obviously, definitely not “with it” anymore. I do not swing, I’m not cool, in fact I am probably well past my sell-by date. Soon I’ll have to take up knitting, hide my whiskey bottles and my family can spoon-feed me mush – if they can be bothered to spare the time.

Seriously though, unlike the silly words just used it is interesting to learn that this expression has not come from youths' street culture.

“The term was first coined in 1994, by Joel Kurtzman, editor-in-chief of the magazine, Strategy & Business. The term was used to designate interview subjects for that magazine who had contributed new thoughts to business.” (Wikipedia)

The phrase was then taken up by Yuppies. Obviously they need their own lingo in order to recognise each other and keep out the old fogies and ignorant, un-hip riff-raff like myself. A bit like the Teddy Boys, the Punks of the 70s, or more recently - Valley Girls. Look at this:

www.orionpartners.co.uk/downloads/Thougth%20Leadership%20Dinner%20Notes%2001.03.07%20v2.pdf

What does HR stand for? Human Resources, in other words – people and their abilities! Oh dear!
I find both the tone and some of the language here quite disturbing,
“management by stealth..” “sneaking up..” “give them the sense they are in control”

Sounds like "social engineering" to me, now what does that mean again….?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONEYGU_7EqU

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The planned food shortages will mean that Governments can use them as an excuse to take control of food.
The first act of the new government of the USSR on taking power was to collectivise the farms and take control of food. Result - only"privileged" people ate well, only "good" people ate adequately, everyone else - 97% of the population, starved.
Remember the pigs in "Animal Farm" by George Orwell? "Some animals are more equal than others."
Same thing happened in the Peoples' Republic of China, same in Cambodia, same in Zimbabwe, etc. Read history books and find out for yourself. Bear in mind that the offspring and admirers of these regimes run the UK (these "pigs" run ALL 3 main political parties in the UK) and other European countries. The EU will soon be the EUSSR!
By killing or imprisoning farmers, or kicking smallholders and peasants off their land, massive starvation is always the result.
Check out Monsanto and the development of GM crops. (Food heaven & hell, Interested?) It is all about total control and profit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5820797504478488

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RIYk9iEmFI

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvvsgEZc0pY&feature=related

www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/multinationals-make-billions-in-profit-out-of-growing-global-food-crisis-820855.html

www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200804/20080505_RIO_5_Food.htm

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7km43b0WmHE

Stop sleepwalking! Will you join an anti EU group and start looking after your future interests and those of your family and friends? Now is the time.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFct9z_xYGQ&feature=relate

Congratulations Boris Johnson on your election victory.
You keep harping on about your "Turkish-ness" and Muslim ancestry Mr. Mayor so let's see how you deal with this.
The Angry Cheese believes the Mega-Mosque plans must be whittled down, moderated considerably but perhaps not abandoned altogether - thus pleasing both sides of the argument.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pn9Mul98JY&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ac6VW-yibc

www.christiantoday.com/article/christian.mayoral.candidate.continues.campaign.against.megamosque/17592.htm

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRqYMTpXHc

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It is no secret that the Angry Cheese is totally opposed to the European Union, and the very real prospect of a future one world government - which will ruin our beautiful planet and make your offspring's lives literally Hell ! My total opposition to Britain's entry into, and continued membership of, the EU has been the one and only reason for setting up this Blog.
My very first blog article posted at Christmas 2007 sets out everything that this Angry Cheese blog is about. Every single post since that first one, mad and eccentric though some of them may appear, complete with the poetry and music links, is about this one danger. Yes, I believe that the EU is very dangerous for the British people and I am convinced that no good will come from it. We have a wonderful country and a wonderful world and we must appreciate them and protect them. My posts are about one thing only - trying to jog you, shock you, amuse you, intrigue you into thinking more about the EU and, hopefully, persuade you to wake up to its true, evil purpose and then to join an anti-EU organisation and work towards helping to get us out. Only YOU can do this!
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Christian Womens' Organs Removed For Blackmarket Sale Before Murder! ( Unforgivably Wicked! )

A chilling, truly blood curdling news story is circulating in Europe and beyond but, how unusual, does not seem to have made much impact here in Toytown!
It concerns our new best friend, Kosovo, which was once a small piece of the larger country of Serbia in the former Yugoslavia. After the bloodshed of the Balkans War in the 90s, instead of remaining part of Serbia the Muslims of Kosovo, having brutalised their Christian population forcing most to leave, have recently declared themselves a separate country with their truly fearsome chief bandit as leader and Prime Minister. Naturally, the crooks who wield the real power in the EU, recognising one of their own, think this is just wonderful and cannot wait to warmly welcome him into their crooked club. So they have devised a plan. The authorities across the EU and in Britain will play "Let's Pretend." Let's pretend Kosovo is nice, let's pretend they are a country not just a region - like Yorkshire for example, let's pretend their leader is not a bandit and let's pretend all the Christians in the Balkans are wicked, cruel, evil liars. And if anyone objects we'll just ignore them, which means having the press and MSM in Britain and elsewhere be biased, not impartial as they should be. The Guardian have covered it however, and so have the BNP, and a few other small sites.
(See Feb.23rd post for more on Serbia/Kosovo)

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/12/warcrimes.kosovo

www.humanrights-geneva.info/Serbs-Organs-Sold-From-Albania,2967

www.bnp.org.uk/2008/04/01/kosovo-kidnapped-serbs-were-killed-for-body-parts-claims-war-crimes-prosecutor

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2006200/posts

Carla Del Ponte, now the Swiss Ambassador to Argentina but formerly a Chief International War Crimes prosecutor at the Hague, discusses the horrifying subject of body organs stolen from living prisoners - mostly female and kidnapped from Kosovo, in her new book. The Swiss authorities, being decent, caring and responsible people, have ordered her to shut up about it! Apparently, senior Swiss figures have even calling for her resignation! Gutless Scumbags! Remind me again, what was it they did during the War? Oh yes - they played with their Cuckoo Clocks and counted their Gold! They're good at that!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JVxE2SYxo&feature=related

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The DC Madam has committed suicide! For those who are unfamiliar with this story, details are available here:-
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/050108_madam_predicted.htm

The Angry Cheese is reminded of the closing sequence in the film, “They Live” right before the credits roll !!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaVpeygMA3g

Could there really be a Reptilian Agenda? A joke? No, the Angry Cheese is not laughing, something very nasty is going on,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv9GXOilbAw

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BBC Show Engages In Chaotic, Rambling 9/11 Truth Debunk-Fest
Alex Jones faded out of uninformed "debate" whenever he raised salient points

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, April 30, 2008

A Popular BBC talk radio show yesterday engaged in 45 minutes of uninformed debunking and ridicule of "9/11 conspiracy theories", interspersing questions over the official government version of events on 9/11 with barely intelligible members of the public talking about fake moon landings and Joan of Arc not actually being burned at the stake.

Alex Jones was invited onto the Richard Bacon show on BBC Radio Five Live, the BBC's talk radio station, but could barely get a word in edgewise before being faded out of the discussion and countered by a series of debunkers, two of whom frequently admitted to knowing very little about what was being discussed.

"Everybody stop, I don't know what the hell anyone is talking about" announced presenter Richard Bacon after the first few minutes, a statement which accurately summarized the total lack of awareness the debunkers had of any subject Alex Jones attempted to bring before them.

Alex was the sole "conspiracy theorist" (read: informed individual) up against three other debunkers, including Guy Smith, producer of the BBC Conspiracy Files series, the show responsible for a poorly researched and bias hit piece against the 9/11 truth movement last year.

It depends, I don't know, I haven't looked into it in real detail" was the stable response of both the studio guests to Alex's detailed rants about events such as the attack on the USS Liberty and the Gulf of Tonkin incident, both now corroborated as staged false flag events by declassified government documents, as well as the infamous green lighted Operation Northwoods.

Citing the Iran-Contra affair and the Watergate scandal, one debunker stated "They were found out, people were punished, why is this not happening with the 9/11 conspiracy?" seemingly unaware of the huge progress the 9/11 truth movement has made over the past six years and the public statements of support for the movement from hundreds of engineers, scholars and former government and intelligence officials.

"No evidence has been given for 9/11" the debunker continued, while Alex, trying to counter and give evidence of a cover up, was faded out.

The two debunkers are clearly unaware of the basic fact that there would not have even been a 9/11 Commission, totally lacking though it was, had it not been for activists demanding explanations to unanswered questions.

The conversation eventually moved on to WTC building 7 after one surprisingly intelligible caller broached the subject.

After Guy Smith announced that the BBC would soon be releasing a new documentary devoted to Building 7, presumably given that they completely omitted the topic in their last hit piece, a strange new debunker was introduced as "Ronald Wick".

Mr Wick was introduced as a broadcaster in New York and "a well known 9/11 conspiracy theory debunker", yet having written about the 9/11 truth movement and the attacks for over six years, I have never heard of the man, neither has Prisonplanet editor Paul Watson and neither has Alex Jones. Furthermore, a Google search produces no related results. Seemingly then "Ronald Wick" is either not a "very well known" debunker or is hiding behind a pseudonym.

"Wick" attempted to counter revelations that the BBC had reported the collapse of building 7 a full 26 minutes before it's actual fall by suggesting that everyone had expected the building to collapse from fire damage for hours before it did. This claim does not hold up when put into context with statements from firefighters, reporters and first responders on the ground who have stated that they had to literally run for their lives when a 20 second demolition countdown began and the building suddenly fell.

"Wick" and the other debunkers also attempted to suggest we believe the BBC were somehow "in on the conspiracy" and were specifically approached and fed with a "script of events" on 9/11 because, according to Guy Smith, laughable though this opinion is, it is the media outlet most opposed to George W. Bush.

While others within the truth movement may have postulated this, we have not stated we believe this to be the case. Given that CNN, AP wires and radio stations were also reporting the collapse before it occurred, it is clear the BBC were not "hand picked" to read a script, by whoever carried out the attacks. Furthermore, the fact that BBC anchor Phil Hayton was recently shocked to learn of the pre-collapse reports, also suggests a more general announcement of the building's impending destruction was announced.

"Wick" also accused Alex Jones of lying when he said that firefighters had told people to get back because they building was going to be "brought down". Multiple witnesses have attested to this, and we even have video of firefighters stating "get back, the building is about to blow up". NIST has even promised to examine the claims of explosives in 7 in it's official report, finally due out this summer.

As Alex was faded out "Wick" stated "you are not telling the truth, the firemen did not say it was being brought down in a controlled demolition, that is an outright falsehood" and accused Alex of saying that firefighters were complicit in the destruction of the world trade center buildings, a claim that we have never made and is clearly preposterous given the loss of life suffered amongst fire crews in the towers.

As Alex was again faded down, the debunkers contradicted their earlier assertions that fire caused the collapse of 7, by suggesting that there was critical damage from the falling debris of the towers which gouged out huge chunks of the building causing it to later collapse straight down into it's own footprint in 6 seconds, a contention that is neither supported by witness statement, nor substantial photographic evidence nor by any official statement or report.

"Wick" also weakly attempted to frame the debate on the fact that 1800 degree molten steel was found under all three collapsed buildings. Given that it is undeniable that Molten steel was present, "Wick" attempted to shift the focus of the issue by stating that explosives could not cause heat strong enough to cause molten steel and that you can "place your hand" on an area where a shape charge has been set off.

According to engineering and physics experts, including former Brigham Young professor Steven Jones, buildings not destroyed by explosives would have insufficient directed energy to produce the large quantities of melted metal that was discovered. The "flowing" molten steel was found five days after the collapse, on Sept. 16, when the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) used an Airborne Visible/Infrared Imaging Spectrometer (AVIRIS) to locate and measure the site’s hot spots.

The USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced images which showed dense thermal hot spots days and weeks after the attacks. ABC News reported that, "the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."

It requires temperatures of at least 2800 degrees fahrenheit to melt steel. Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel. The fires in Building 7, fueled by office furniture and small amounts of debris alone could not have reached temperatures anywhere close to this, indicating that extra explosive and/or reactionary forces were responsible for the molten steel and raging underground fires.

Any rational person who listened to this chaotic exchange will have gone away wanting to hear more from Alex Jones, who draws his knowledge and discussion points from the study of history, declassified government archives, expert analysis and mainstream reports, rather than take heed from the total lack of any insight whatsoever from the two studio guests and the strange accusatory tone and debate framing of the mysterious "Mr Wick".

LISTEN TO THE FULL BBC "DEBATE" HERE

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6EldSFwOI

Chemtrails, what are they?

Cheesey's personal observation is that the sky above Sheffield can be beautifully clear, bright blue and plane-free for several hours. Then a plane appears spewing out a trail of thick grey exhaust fumes leaving two great lines across the sky which seem to just hang in the air and gradually merge into one thick line. Quickly another plane appears literally within minutes, then another, then another, then another, then several crossing from different directions all leaving thick trails. Some have four lines of exhaust coming out. It carries on. Within an hour a dirty grey cloud is blocking out the sunlight across the entire skyline as the grubby haze slowly drifts over the city towards Rotherham. A totally man-made cloud spoils the rest of the afternoon!

What is going on, what does it mean?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815320198655156407

www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

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